Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Reasons why I didn't love HBO Girls and hate Lena Dunham.

By Sati. Wednesday, September 19, 2012 ,
I watched first season of Girls. It was sometimes good, at times boring but most of all it was cringe worthy. The main character is without a single doubt in my mind the most selfish, spoiled, self entitled and pathetic character I ever saw on TV series. I hated her. I kept watching for Jessa and Shoshanna but honestly, what's the fuss here? Also the occasional praise I see for Lena Dunham's writing - really? Yes it is occasionally fresh, but it just seams like ramblings of some girl with sense of entitlement for whatever reason. In fact that whole Lena Dunham person that some people have the audacity to call female Woody Allen and her character - who is obviously the main character of the show - Hannah, infuriated me so much I have to write a whole article about it. Let's make a list shall we?

  1. Lena Dunham apparently wants to be "The voice of generation". What exactly qualifies her to be that? I have literally never heard of this person prior to watching Girls, but it doesn't matter. She could be homeless and started preaching and I'd listen if she had something important to say. Unfortunately, the only voice she is is the voice of Lena Dunham and I couldn't give a fuck about her ramblings.
  2. The show would be ten times better if Hannah wasn't in it. Literally every single character in the show is more interesting than her and she is incredibly annoying whenever she is on screen. I'd be delighted to watch second season but when I think of watching this character I just want to puke. Even the worst villains in TV series have redeeming qualities. She has none.
  3. Hannah is such an awful, self absorbed person I can't believe she has any friends and anyone would put up with her. I wouldn't be her friend is someone paid me money to.
  4. I can't believe she got someone to sleep with her. I just can't believe that. Even if someone was tempted the minute she started talking bullshit (I'm tight as a baby - one of the many gross and unfunny things she says) she should be thrown out on the doorstep.
  5. Hannah is lazy, stupid, selfish, self absorbed, sad and irritating. Plus she is one of those delusional people who study English and want to become a writer. She is mooching off her parents, has disgusting sex with someone who doesn't respect her and she doesn't really care about any of her friends. I'm sorry but at least Carrie Bradshaw was likable.
  6. And her "love interest" on the show. Nothing in the world would turn me asexual but their scenes almost did. I kept hoping they will slip on his piss in the shower and die
  7. The HIV jokes and date rape jokes...that's not smart. that's just provocative in a "look! look how brave I am" way which only adds to the pathetic factor.  If it's provocative and meant to be a joke either a joke or a situation should be amusing. It's not.
  8. The show, which apparantly is "original", follows the same formula as Sex and the City. No, no - wait. Sex and the City was entertaining.
  9. Many people especially the main girls are played by daughters of famous people - Brian Williams and David Mamet to mention few. When Dunham was asked about nepotism she said "I was always pretty good at ignoring because it seemed so rooted in basic human jealousy and dislike of other people’s success. There’s just no other way to read that one." What? I think she may need help. There is nothing wrong with making something with your friends, who just happen to have famous daddies. But at least own up to it.
  10. The way she looks is NOT what real women look like. Real women are not fat blobs who don't care what they look like. People who said she looks real are confusing gross with real. 
  11. When asked about the way race is portrayed on her show (or shall I say is not, as not a single person of color is featured) Dunham said " I felt so lucky to be part of something that was opening that dialogue. I felt really grateful that the debate was happening, a debate that has needed to happen surrounding television for a long time."" Again, I must ask, WHAT? You don't want have any people of color in your show - that's your business - but that comment she made is just ridiculous.
  12. The show is not well written - some plot points are lost and nowhere to be seen as the show progresses and it's truly unbelievable at times. Also it looks to me as if Dunhan knew that Shoshanna and Jessa are far better and likable characters than Hannah is, so she "fixes" that with giving Shoshanna very little scenes and making Jessa's character completely unbelievable in what must have been the worst finale episode I saw in a long time, thus weakening the show.
  13. I find it outrageous Dunham got best acting nomination at Emmys. If anyone deserved it, it was Zosia Mamet.
  14. The show is predictable. Husband wanting to fuck the nanny? Check. Someone standing in the middle of the road being hit by a car? Check. Two awkward characters hooking up? Check. Former nemesis being successful while the lead is not? Check. Infatuated professor? Check.
  15. It tries to be edgy and cool. It just comes off as gratuitous and embarrassing.
And now to level this up some things I liked:
  1. Charlie's friend who is one of the very few fun characters on the show. Loved all of his scenes. Glad he ended up with Shoshanna.
  2. Shoshanna who is the funniest one in the bunch. Loved all of her scenes.
  3. Jessa, who is the only respectable character as she at least has some control over her shit.
  4. The music in the show is really fantastic.
  5. When we are not seeing cum shots and peeing in the shower, the show has fantastic and gorgeous cinematography
  6. The guest appearances which include Michael Imperioli and Chris O'Dowd.
  7. The party episode was really good.
  8. Many scenes are very well written. The problem lies in the lack of development for the characters and the inability to decide - on Dunham's part - if she wants to write caricatures or real people.
I know there are many people who like the show, readers of this blog included. I really didn't though. And when I don't like something, I rant.

If I will tune in for season 2 I'll definitely fast forward through Hannah scenes. What HBO does lately amazes me.  They have all of those wonderful shows like Boardwalk Empire and Game of Thrones and then they air this and continue to show The Newsroom, which most of the time is unwatchable. Oh well. They did cancel Deadwood and Carnivale, so why would I expect great things from them?

And please don't compare this hipster wannabe to Woody Allen. Woody Allen, even at his worst, is million times better than Lena Dunham. He always finds balance in his characters. He never unintentionally turns them into caricatures. And even the gross moments in his movies always ended up with people laughing when they saw them - not with the sensation of profound sadness for human race.

Here's the idea for the women who are reading this and want to have their own show and 5 Emmy nominations - stop shaving your legs, stop exercising, stop brushing your hair and washing your face, then write a "script" about all the losers you fucked and where you whine about how much of a loser you are although you don't really think that, because you are so special, talented and important (because...?) then go to HBO and have your own TV seri...oh, my bet. For this to work you have to be connected first.

125 comments:

  1. I could manage 2 episodes of Girls and I gave up. I find it hard to watch shows where I can't fathom the leading character. There's nothing about her I like. Even her pathetic-ness I find completely unfunny and eh.

    I read it was getting a lot of praise for being "real". I've not known anyone's real life to be like that.

    Oh and The Newsroom - love it. Silly love triangles aside, I wish real life had such pin sharp dialogue.

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    1. Same here, but there were parts of the show I liked so I stuck with it. Ultimately the pros didn't win with the cons.

      Exactly, I don't know a single person who would be like Hannah. I don't know any people so many pathethic traits.

      I gave up after first 3 episodes of the Newsroom, who knows maybe I'll give it another shot some day!

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  2. I don't have cable so I don't know anything about this show or Lena Dunham, but I love how much conviction you have on this topic. That's the kind of personal opinion I love about reading blogs, and yours is always at the top of my list!

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    1. Thank you so much ruth!
      You're not missing much with that show, trust me :)

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  3. Okay first of all, who called her the female Woody Allen? (that's going to be me! not really, no. I wish...)

    I think I liked Girls in the way how I liked Sex in the City in fact- how it was about these different people in such a different culture from mine and I like the weird insight.

    I guess I liked Hannah in the way that I got her insecurities and though how she dealt with them was not always the most correct way, but she tried or wanted to try. Also how in this world we are led to believe that at that age, after being educated and stuff, the world is at our feet, but maybe it isn't. It's a fucking scary reality that this show showed me.

    I really liked all the things you liked too. I nearly squealed when O'Dowd came. And though Adam was really really gross before, I like him later on.

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    1. I spent some time on facebook, imdb and other movie related sites and read comments about the show. It's appaling how many people called her female Woody Allen there. I just hope Allen isn't aware of that comparision.

      That's the thing I disliked - I can appreciate the effort but because of how different and immensely pathethic Hannah is comparing to her friends it just killed the show for me. Shoshanna cares for others - hannah doesn't. Marnie has a job which may not be ideal but she does it and she doesn't whine - Hannah doesn't. Jessa lives life to the fullest and respects herself - Hannah doesn't. So it is possibe to not be completely miserable. The way she screws up everything - quitting her job, not having conviction in her own writing, messing up relationship was so pitiful for me.

      O'Dowd was a huge and very pleasant surprise!

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  4. hahahahaha oh my god your petty bitterness and jealousy could not possibly be more transparent

    i mean, i am sorry that you are running a movie blog instead of directing, writing, and starring in your own show on hbo and getting nominated for emmys. i really am.

    i'll be mailing you a box of tissues to get you through the emmy ceremony this sunday.

    live strong.

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    1. Yes, you have me all figured out. I want to direct, write and star in my own HBO show. That's why I'm finishin law school and doing legal training at public prosecutor's office. That is why. Spot on, buddy boy.

      Keep the tissues, you will need them when you masturbate 8 times a night.

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    2. Ha, whatta tool. Way to cower and stay anonymous, you goddamn troll.

      I love the hell out of Girls and disagree with most of what Sati said, but that's not justification enough to anonymously take digs at her. Douchebag.

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    3. I've said it before, but you know you've made it as a blogger or at least established your presence in the cyber world when you get anonymous hate comments!! So there is a bright side.

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  5. I only have watched 2-3 episodes of it. I like it in general, but I can see why you hated Hannah. She's the typical spoiled recent graduate girls, I think that's the appeal in some ways. I don't know if I'll like it more in the next episodes, but I'll find out. I think I saw a movie worse than this series though.

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    1. Oh there are worse movies for sure, this is just the worst HBO series I saw.

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  6. I will read this tomorrow because I'm way too busy but I came from Twitter to see that anonymous comment. Made me laugh cause I actually disliked the show. Only watched the first two episodes and then gave up. And ME! I watch like everything from Breaking Bad to 90210, Gossip Girl and Baby Daddy! Seriously! So tomorrow, I will return and agree with you - probably on everything! You go, girl!

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    1. Hah.. I actually want to add, as an avid TV show watcher, I didn't connect with the lead at all. And that is the worst thing a show can do - create a character who you can't relate to or simply don't want to. I get pathetic characters, trust me, I'm one in my real life, but she (as far as I know based on two episodes) was a conflict in herself. I remember her being this outsider and a looser while she didn't criticize herself enough to actually come across as one. At least this is what I remember.. I really should watch the whole show but I don't want to. I don't get the hype. Don't want to get it. And I don't like her at all.

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    2. Thank you! I watch everything too - the reason why every show should have redeemable and likable character is not because it's cliche. It's because it works. Dunham apparantly is too stuck up to admit that.

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    3. Don't waste your time, believe - she makes some better decisions in later episodes but in finale she reaches new low. I don't get hype either, hopefully HBO won't waste their money for more than two seasons.

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    4. I mean compared to other HBO things.. I can see this one going on for long just to annoy me. I mean, the cancelled How to Make it in America!! By that I know that they will do the opposite of what I expect them to do.

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    5. I'll be seriously mad if this show lasts longer than Deadwood.

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  7. alright, you've made me curious enough, so I was getting the first couple of episodes and the second is called Vagina Panic... okay. I'll be back with feedback.

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    1. Yeah the titles are...not sure what is the word I'm looking for here.

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  8. THANK YOU!

    I have no idea where all the love for Girls comes from. Hannah is not likeable at all. "I'm tight has a baby" has to be one of the worst lines ever written and they to hard to be "edgy." They forget that a controversal joke still needs to be funny. I couldn't even make it through the entire season. It's hard to watch a show with such miserable characters.

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    1. That line was so awful If I was an HBO executive I'd tell her to go to hell and take her crappy show with her just for that. It was despicable. Glad you gave up, wise choice! There are so many better shows out there.

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  9. I watched a couple of episodes of Girls, but never carried on because I forgot and though I was enjoying it, I didn't dig it as much as everyone else did.

    The situation with Hannah, I think, is that it did present the not-really likable lead character, and that is something I did like. Yes, she is selfish, and that is down to the way that she has been brought up, the way that she views things. I like the fact that she isn't so clean-cut and you understand exactly why she does things, that is a very human thing to have.

    Also, in regards to the sex scenes, they were A LOT more real than any other sex scenes I have seen in films and TV shows, particularly when it comes to the cringe factor - that's how a lot of sex for some people is with certain people.


    The way she looks is NOT what real women look like. Real women are not fat blobs who don't care what they look like. People who said she looks real are confusing gross with real. - I disagree on this point. I think it might be slightly generalising it terms of what a woman can look like, on both parts. A woman can look like anything she wants. I know I certainly don't care what I look like, and maybe that makes me gross too?

    Agree with some of the things you said, but the Lena Dunham comments were a bit harsh, even for me haha!

    Interesting article either way, Sati. Did raise a couple of questional points for me, but it was nice to see your side of stuff too!

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    1. I have nothing against the show having not really likable character, even as lead, but honestly when someone is as dumb and self involved as she is and has not one redeemable quality, that is not a way to go. I can't believe I'm even going to make a comparision, but let's take a look at Deadwood - Ian McShane's character did awful things, he was selfish, he was abusive. But he wasn't one dimensional, he had redeemable qualities. Hannah has none.

      I never had some guy ask me where should he come. I'm thankful for that. And I hope women out there have good sense not to get involved with someone like that.

      Maybe it does. But I seriously doubt you look like her. She is like all the bad things a woman can do to herself combined - honestly, there are many heavy women who are beautiful. There are many girls with lovely figure who don't even bother with make up. But she even stands out in her own show! Shoshanna, Jessa and Marnie look normal. She looks like a mess.

      Well, I don't see why I should sugarcode my words when I have no respect for her. Hiv jokes, Date rape jokes and that baby comment is enough for me to despise her.

      Thank you!

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  10. I actually like the show. Shoshanna is my favorite character. The moment she freaked out from smoking crack and running around without her dress floored me.

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    1. Shoshanna is lovely. Saving grace, honestly.

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  11. I only saw the first episode and I couldn't do anymore. It's definitely not for me.

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    1. Good call! The show is a waste of time, really.

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  12. I haven't even seen any of Lena Dunham's films, but I might give this a try, as I have no opinion of her at the moment. ;)

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    1. I honestly never saw something that terrible in terms of lead character before, so I can't even write what is similiar to that show. You may have to check out for yourself, though I wish you wouldn't waste your time :)

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  13. I haven't seen any of this show yet, been avoiding it because I disliked her film Tiny Furniture. From the sounds of it, I made the right choice.

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  14. This article was honestly so harsh that it was infuriating to read. The fat blob comment is despicable, and completely weakened your point. You hate Lena Dunham for legitimate reasons X, Y, and Z - Oh, and also, she's a "fat blob" and no "real women" look like that. Really? Not to sound overly dramatic, but who the fuck are you to say what real women look like? Hannah, as dislikable as she is in various scenes, is a better, more realistic depiction of myself than I've seen in almost any show. I'm not going to pretend like Girls doesn't have its flaws, but I honestly believe that at least a few of the things you're criticizing are because you may not be seeing the point of the show. For one, the sex scenes aren't supposed to be sexy, lack of a better word. If you thought that they were supposed to, then you're really, really not getting it. Additionally, if you continue to compare it to Sex in the City, you're also obviously missing the point. They reference Sex in the City in the show -- Obviously Dunham is aware of the parallels, but comparing the two is like apples and oranges. And finally, just to wrap things up, a criticism of your writing: Less bitter and hateful comments, and try to actually focus on things that are relevant to what you're criticizing. Lena Dunham's hair doesn't look brushed? Well, shit. We should probably all invalidate any shred of talent anybody seems to see in her.

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    1. If you think this is harsh you are very gentle little flower. The show infuriated me. Hence I wrote this. Which apparantly infuriated you. Funny how things travel, ain't it?

      She is a fat blob. That's why I called her that. I wouldn't called overweight woman fat blob if I didn't that of her - Take Adele and Gabourey Sidibe. They are nto blobs, they are actually quite gorgeous. Lena Dunham is a fat blob. How much clearer can I make it?

      "Who the fuck "am I to say what real women look like? Are you serious? Let's see - I'm a human being surrouned by human beings. I'm not an invention of some overrated, self indulgent "comedy" writer. I have eyes. The holy trifecta of reasons that qualify me to make an observation.

      I'm not saying I think they should be sexy. I'm saying they are gross. And I don't like that. Again how much clearer can I make it?

      No offence honey but the second I'll take a criticism for someone who says Hannah is depiction of themselves and can't even read with elementary understating I'll go get myself comitted. You took parts of what I wrote and mashed them together.I know it's hard to read sometimes, it's better to watch mediocre show that makes you feel special, but honestly - try.

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    2. Great response, Sati. I'm so glad I came across your blog. I hated the show and keep seeing stories about it on Jezebel. I can't understand why they keep publishing stories about a show and person I hate so much! Of course, I can't articulate why in a convincing enough way. Now I don't have to because you did it for me! Thank you!

      But back to the subject at hand. When I wake up in the morning I am a fat blob. Instead of walking out the door, I take a few minutes to shower, dry my hair, put on a little makeup, and adorn myself with flattering clothing. I walk outside appearing attractive, even if I am overweight. ~Liz

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  15. I'm still curious about this one. Its gotten enough attention that i want to form my own opinion of it i guess

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    1. Well it's only 10 episodes. Some of the parts makes you feel like dying, but if you brave and set on forming your own opinion - go for it.

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  16. I have not ever watched this one. So cannot comment at all..... but I just did, go figure

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  17. So... watched some episodes. You're right, every other character on the show is far more interesting than her. There's just nothing likeable about Hannah. The show is definitely not original, not even funny. Just stupid and quite disgusting... Shoshanna is adorable, it's a good character, and agreed on the show's other good things.

    But Hannah... she could be fat and selfish and a huge bitch but still be a good character. Thing is, the whole "she's a real woman" thing is degrading, for the reasons you mentioned - she's not a good person, the way she looks it not normal, it's not even healthy (I bet she can't even run properly - sorry, but it's true), and she has no self respect. There's no message in GIRLS. I mean, what? Is Lena saying "don't be like her, be like her, ignore her", what?

    When Woody Allen creates a dislikable character he clearly says "look at him, he's a jerk. Let's laugh at him." But with Hannah, her flaws are not really treated as flaws. I still got a few episodes left, but so far... this is what it looks like.

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    1. Shoshanna is so much fun if she was the lead I might have even let the flaws of this show go. Unfortunetly Dunham wanted to be the "most important" one regardless of the fact she is playing the caricature.

      Funny you mention running - in one of the later episodes she runs and then lies on the ground because she is too tired and buys ice cream. I don't get the messege either. I mean even if it gives young women some sense of solidarity - "Oh hey! I'm not the only one with problems like that!" Dunham isn't exactly saying anything. In fact by showing her character sticking up with this gross weirdo of a boyfriend she is setting a bad example.

      Exactly. Allen knows what he wants to do and he knows what he is doing. Girls is just misguided.

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    2. oh my god I just laughed so hard at the running thing, I had no idea!

      Oh and about your answer to Cherokee, the problem with Hannah is not her face or how fat she is, is the fact that she doesn't care about how she looks, at all, hence the blob. I mean, can you really get to a place where you have no regard for yourself? At ALL levels. Is that supposed to be good?

      Oh, and everyone else around her is pretty (minus the freaky bf), isn't that weird? She's the only not good-looking person on that show. Are we supposed to pity her for that, or join her in her low self-esteem, delusional journey? Worse than that, I get the sense that Hannah doesn't like herself, or that Lena doesn't like Hannah, or herself, whatever. It just seems like there's no respect for the character itself, you know what I mean?

      Idk, maybe I'm missing the point of the show, perhaps it's an avant-garde thing, but it's like you replied - she's a bad example, and no one is saying that.

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    3. I don't know what she is trying to achieve with that. She is seriously disgusting. I wouldn't sit next to her on a subway.

      Did you notice how she is the only one who showed her breasts? I mean what the hell was that? Is she gloryfing her sloppy, gross self? Or would she just freak out if other girls were naked? That is messed up.

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  18. So I watched Tiny Furniture the other week. I liked it - yes, Lena Durham character is pretty selfish and bratty, but everyone else and everything else worked. The whole movie was very real and honest, something I really appreciated. Even Durham's character - at least we felt some kind emotion towards her in the end.

    I haven't seen Girls, but now I am very reluctant to do so. There's many more shows and movies that can funnily and accurately show the lifestyle of an average 20 year old.

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    1. She is selfish and bratty there too? Ineteresting, we have a pattern then.

      Absolutely, there are so many better shows and I honestly don't understand how in the world where we have Breaking Bad and Boardwalk Empire someone can give this mess a second thought.

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  19. Part 1:

    Since reading this this morning, I've been debating whether or not I wanted to bother commenting on anything other than the fact that I'm pretty surprised you're breaking your cool and reading the show so literally (also shocked that what I thought was fairly obvious social commentary has managed to infuriate you and so many others so damn much).

    I am, admittedly, a fan of 'Girls' for many of the reasons you list as strikes against it here. I'm sure I probably can't convince you to take the next step, but when you add together everything you're saying part of what it seems you're objecting to is how disgusting the characters and their decisions are and how poorly it reflects on an entire generation of so-called 'real' girls. Since you’re so vehemently opposed, I can only guess these are people you don't know. The problem is: I know them. They're real. The guys are real too. And what I happen to love about the show is not that it’s particularly “funny” or “edgy” or any of the interpretations you’re projecting onto it, but the crude way in which Lena Dunham is actually holding up a very, very harsh mirror to all the antics and stupidity of a gang of 'slacker hipsters' who grew up told they were special and entitled and graduated into a recession having accomplished absolutely nothing. You may hate Hannah (you should, she's awful), but in hating Lena Dunham your argument goes off the rails. Dunham is NOT Hannah. Hannah is an archetype. Hannah is a grotesque generational reflection. She is an obscured, collected version of what real, urban dwelling 20-somethings are feeling (whether they say it or not). Hannah is a failed everything who imagines a talent she barely has and who claims in an utterly laughable moment of desperation that she wants to be 'the voice of her generation'. Lena Dunham is a smart, realistically talented, go-getting personality who may share traits with Hannah, but who clearly has excelled in her goals and is working steadily on building up a career which will undoubtedly take many twists and turns as she ages.

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    1. It's obvious to you, for me it's just self indulgent crap from someone that has nothing important or interesting to say. But hey, people are different.

      Dunham wrote it. She wrote Hiv jokes, date rape jokes and that empty awful character and worst of all - her show which you call a "mirror" has no message. It sets up a bad example. It's badly written and not even that original. I'm sorry but I fail to see intelligence or talent in her writing.

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    2. So, what you're saying is she's a bad example who's clearly a bad example. Who would want to be Hannah? No one. Perhaps the example isn't leading but repelling? The message is the mirror. The lack of originality is intrinsic to the lack of originality in the characters themselves. Oddly, however, for a show so unoriginal...I've never seen anything quite like it.


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    3. Nobody would want to be her but from what you are saying - since you know so many people like those on the show - there are people like her out there. And then they watch the show and probably think "hey she is like me. Hey she is still doing those things. So if I keep doing those things, it's not that bad, right?". That is a dangerous trap right there. There are cliche devices all over the show. And if originality means "tight as a baby" lines and "sex" scenes like the ones in the show I'm not sure originality is such a good thing.

      Look you like the show that is your business, I don't. As I said people are different. I'm sure people from different backgrounds and circles than mine will find some common ground with those characters, fortunetly I do not.

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  20. Pt. 2:

    HBO and Lena Dunham have knowingly set up ‘Girls’ as a weird, parallel meta-commentary on Sex and the City. There’s a reason why it’s brought up so much within the show itself. Sex and the City was a fantasy, this show is the aftermath. It’s the show about what happens when girls move to the big city with Carrie Bradshaw dreams and realize that no, you can’t possibly afford that apartment or those shoes on a columnist’s salary. This is Carrie & Co. with what really happens: the gross guys they actually sleep with and settle for, the creepy way sexual proclivities introduce themselves to already dying relationships, the ways their egos build them up, the divide that creates between their friends, the way that friends split as people start actually changing into their adult selves. Girls literally HAS to have those generic plot lines just to keep the game going and to draw out the weird parallels between how the fantasy version works and the despicable ways in which “real” quirky/neurotic people aren’t romantic comedy leads but callous, plain people who wait idly for something that isn’t coming to them and then whine when they don’t get it. I know these people. I went to high school with them, i went to college with them, they're in grad school with me now, when i go to out to bars...they're there. At house parties? always there. At readings or gallery openings? Holy shit, it's a perfect match. Sometimes, I’m even guilty of being like them: insensitive, demanding, too caught up in figuring out my own shit to care about their problems, convinced that this novel will go places. So, I find the show fascinating because what it has to say is harsh, mean-spirited entertainment that sheds light on how these people actually come across when they go about their business. It’s THAT that makes people draw comparisons between Dunham and Woody Allen. Woody Allen has made a career writing curmudgeonly, neurotic, death-obsessed, narcissistic jerks who destroy everything they touch and who inspire antipathy. He does not point and laugh at them, he lets their actions speak on their behalf. For fans (I am one), these characters work because we’re allowed to enjoy their id and find the places it meets with our ego. But, just as with Dunham, there are as many people (my parents, for example) who feel about these characters the way you feel about Hannah. Dunham is super young. She has a long way to go.

    And I’m afraid the “hipster” (for lack of a better word) girl isn’t far off from Lena Dunham’s shape. Every other couple is a short, rounded girl in Warby Parkers, a vintage skirt, and red lipstick cuddling a tall, anemically skinny boy with bad facial hair and a sleeve tattoo. Truth. It’s incredibly irritating.

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    1. Fine you know them, they exist. I'm fortunete enough not to know such weak people. I pity those people. But you can't tell me those weak hipster people have no good qualities? Hannah has none. NONE. And the fact her and her friends settle for those losers is even more pitiful. They are recklessy irresponsible and have no self respect. That for me is a caricature of human being. A caricature that is not funny.

      Woody Allen's characters are either caricatures by design or likable people we can relate to and laugh with Allen at them. His movies are always well written and entertaining. Dunham's work is netiher of those things for me. Allen is brilliant, smart, intelligent writer who likes his characters and who respects his audiance.

      It's not my thing. Girls. I didn't like it. I find it appalling. And I'm dissappointed with HBO executives who keep cancelling quality shows and give chances to the likes of Dunham. Hence that post.

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    2. Her complete lack of self respect and how she allows men to treat her is what I find most appalling.... and to say she's the voice of her generation.... I hope not!

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  21. On those first three sentences? Hilarious. Wait two or three years. Get back to me. Shit changes.

    Girls definitely isn't for everyone, and your loathing is a valid response, but the more I see of your comments here the more I think the post I'm more interested in seeing from you would be an analysis of what redeems an unknowingly weak (cripplingly so), spiteful, highly psychologically damaged unlikable character like Mavis or Nina (outside of performance quality or writing, clearly not in the same ballpark) vs. what destroys a self-conscious, struggling weak character like Hannah since so much of your argument seems amusingly slanted towards personal attack. This is, you know, a provocation of its own...

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    1. I don't know what you are trying to do here. Are you trying to pick on a fight? Or lecture me? I really don't think you should do that.

      You're going against characters that are psychologically damaged now? Classy. I did write those posts, analysis on both Nina and Mavis. Nina is straving for perfection and actually trying to succeed with what she loves, showing strength and determination and self respect. Mavis is sick and had a miscarriage, she is utterly alone trying to deal with that. That gains my sympathy. Not some spoiled wannabe writer.

      Talk about a provocation, look at your comment. I'm not interested in fighting about the show I didn't like or don't ever plan to write about against. You are one of my favorite bloggers but comments like this really come across as petty. You know nothing about my life so keep adjectives like "hilarious" or "amusing" to yourself.

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    2. Sorry, apparently I didn't write that clearly. What I meant was: you're a really good writer. I'd be really interested in seeing you place Hannah AGAINST those character to assess what makes her so repulsive vs. what redeems those characters. Good god, I'm not going against psychologically damaged characters. Please. I've had a lot of arguments in defense of those characters myself and am not trying to come across as petty or attack you, I'm legitimately interested in reading that comparison. What I meant was that in this post much of what your saying reads as provocation when you have a really valid, interesting argument I'd quite like to see expanded further.

      So, apologies. You're one of my favorite bloggers too, but I guess I have a hard time hearing a large spectrum of people from different backgrounds referred to as generally 'weak' or unfortunate. Agree to disagree.

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    3. I'm not really keen on writing on the character I despise and the characters I love in one article. But I can do it here - as I said Mavis and Nina both have mental illness - that is for me enough of justification for what they do.

      They are alone dealing with that, they don't take proper medications, hence the illness controls them. But they, as they are aware something is not right, still try to fight it - Nina through her dedication to her craft, Mavis through alcohol - which is not a good way to deal with something, but it is a sign for us she thinks she has to drink to feel better, so it only adds to her tragedy.

      Also they were both heading this way all their life - Nina, because of her mother, had such a sheltered life. Mavis, though other people words whokept telling her how special she was, only then being cast aside by her high school sympathy after she lost his baby. It's not their fault they are the way they are. They may be adults, but they have been crippled every single day of their lives by other people and by their diseases.

      As for Hannah - she has no medical justification for her behaviour. Her parents are actually the only people I admired - after cuddling her to much they finally said enough. And Hanna is behaving as if someohow she is entitled to have their money. She finished college, she should be working. I'm sure someone with her education can find a job and she did, but then she quits. And she needs her parents again. Nina and Mavis are at least responsible enough to support themselves.

      Then we have Hannah's boyfriend. Their sex is disgusting, emotionless and it is devoiding Hannah of any shreds of self-respect every time they have it. Nina has self respect - she feels embarassed when her teacher kisses her, she is outraged. Mavis even builds the selff protective bubble of importance, thinking she is better than anyone else. Is she? Probably not. But you know I have more respect for delusional than for those who don't respect themseleves.

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    4. I realize it comes of "harsh" and as "provocation" but honestly it's my style - it's like this when I love the movie too, I write and write and write, with many adjectives and words, only there I write nice words :)

      I realize that I came off as unsensitive there, but I do not necesarilly weak and unfortunate is something to be ashamed for. If someone is doing something with that. Finding little joy in life or maybe dedicating themselves to something. Anything but standing still. And I think Hannah is standing still.

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  22. I respect your honest opinion, but I do think you are being harsh. Especially about her "not looking like a real woman". People come in all different shapes and sizes.

    Have you seen Bachelorette? I'm very curious to know what you thought of it. I don't understand how some people love that movie so much. I didn't hate it (it actually takes a lot for me to really hate a film), but those bridesmaids were awful. They really rubbed me the wrong way and I'm wondering if you would have a similar reaction.

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    1. They do, but it's very rare you get to see such a mess. As I said - I have no problem with Adele, Gaborey Sidibe etc. because at least they make some effort not to look gross. Lena looks like she didn't take a bath in month. I do not think that is an image that should be promoted.

      Haven't seen it yet, plan to see it soon, though!

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    2. Yeh, I guess I understand what you are trying to say. I agree that we should promote people trying to make sure they are healthy and take care of their personal hygiene.

      The way it's phrased comes off a bit mean to us though. I think maybe it's that societal/culture shock for you, since you haven't been around people like Lena Dunham's character. I'm not American, but I studied in the northeastern USA where this kind of slob person is what you see every day (especially in college and extending through the post-graduation blues when life slaps you in the face) and it's not this "rare mess" at all! For example, we had this thing called the "freshman 15" where people typically gain 15 pounds during their first year of college. Also, it was very common for some students to wake up and go to class or the dining hall...without showering...still in their pajamas. I found it disgusting, but it is what it is. I would still consider them "real" men and women, just less appealing. I haven't watched the show, but I saw the trailer and she reminded me of my 2nd year female roommate who was a mess (same raggedy dirty sweatshirt every day, unwashed hair, infrequent showering) every day, except for the frat parties where she would get all dolled up. As for my freshman year roommate...if I told you how disgusting he was, you would think I was making it up.

      So yeah, just giving you some context for the outrage. Girls like Lena Dunham's character are painfully real for some of us. I guess a lot of Americans identify with the girls in this series, hence the Emmy nominations for Lena and the show.

      Btw, I'm kinda jealous that your blog gets so much attention and heated debate!

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    3. Exactly. When someone puts things out there, like TV series I think they should be aware that they are promoting something. And Hannah is brining young women reassurance that the way they are is common. That is not a justification. The way she is is not healthy thing to cultivate.

      My main problem is her personality and her lazinaess but it is mirrored in the way she looks. I'm sure some of the people you described had good qualities, my problem with Hannah is that for me she didn't have any redeeming traits. She could be 400 punds and if she cared about other people I'd call her beautiful. It is the inside of Hannah that makes her so ugly to me.

      Don't be, it's pretty sad that people come in here and throw juvenile comments and remarks at me only because of something so trivial as TV show. As if I peed on their carpet or something :)

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  23. Okay, so I haven't watched Girls, nor do I plan to, but there was one part that made me kinda sad to read -
    "The way she looks is NOT what real women look like. Real women are not fat blobs who don't care what they look like. People who said she looks real are confusing gross with real."

    One thing I've noticed since I've been reading this blog is that you often say a lot of people were ugly or not attractive (I think this was mentioned about Brittany Snow in your Prom Night review). As a very un-attractive teenager, this is kind of a blow. People look like they look. I look like Stevee. Lena Dunham looks like Lena Dunham. Not a fat blob. I know there is no escaping criticising people for their looks, but you should be criticising movies or whatever it is you do on here now, not the way that people look.

    Sorry, I'm going to get my head bitten off for that one because I've added to the shitstorm. It was nice to see that you added some good stuff about it at the end.

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    1. I mention something twice. That is "often"? And even if it was more than that it is a fact, not a observation.

      I'm not responsible for the way you feel about yourself. And I don't really understand your view of world - you are unattractive hence you think everyone is? Even on Girls Lena looks like caricature because other girls look fine. "Whatever it is you do on here now" oh Jesus, priceless.

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    2. It's relevant to anything (you don't even need to post the comment haha). But do you really think Brittany Snow is ugly? I think she's strikingly beautiful!! I had a slight crush on her back in her "American Dreams" days. Would never even consider someone would call her ugly. Interesting. These things are subjective I guess.

      Just had to throw that out there.

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    3. Exactly, it's subjective. You are free to post Prom Night review and call her gorgeous - I have no problem with that, as you said it's all the matter of taste. I mean I consider Michael Sheen handsome and I know people who say he is ugly. But hey, everyone has the right to opinion. I only called her ugly because she was playing the lead in horror movie where she was supposed to be this beautiful chick - for me it was a miscast, hence I wrote it. It damaged the movie for me. But for me only, that's all it is my review and opinion. Apparantly people like Stevee have a problem with that but I do not like to wander around other people's blog and throwing comments like her - I often consider stuff she writes incorret but it's her opinion and she has every right to express it.

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  24. Wow... so much animosity! This was actually an insightful, enjoyable read -- your post and the subsequent comments. You clearly know how I feel about the show, and we'll respectfully disagree on opinion.

    You mentioned you were studying law. You were brilliant in arguing your case against Girls, so I know you'll succeed in your profession. You even had me second guessing why I'm so drawn to this show for a minute there! LOL! Truthfully, in the beginning of the show, the characters were hard to admire, as they were self-centered and made foolish decisions. I can see where your disdain comes from. They can be very ugly people -- not physically but just in the inside. But they grew on me as they worked through those flaws. They are still nowhere near perfect, but I just admire how human they are and how Dunham presented them in the show.

    I know you don't agree but, hey, we all can't agree on everything.

    Seriously, though, thanks for enlightening us with your thoughts, as always.

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    1. Thank you for that comment! You, sir, are a class act and I really appreciate that.

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  25. Sati I gave up after 10 minutes of this. But I must admit I was preconditioned to dislike this show because I was turned off by all the hype that was created around the show's creator; whenever I hear praise lauded on individuals, the skeptic in me is awakened. Not fair, I know, but it is merely an opinion.

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    1. The hype annoys me too, unless I already appreciate the person that the hype is surrounding. But here, in my opinion, it was completely unjustified.

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  26. I find your dislike of 'Girls' really bizarre. Like another commenter here, most of the reasons you dislike it, are why I like it.

    Yeah she's unlikable and unattractive and sleeping with dickheads, and she's overly privileged. But that's the point. That's what makes it interesting; that's the world she's commenting on. And it's fascinating! Just because people are privileged and annoying, doesn't mean they're not interesting characters!

    Re: lack of diversity in the cast; and her comment about it; that does seem like a crappy response from her. So I potentially agree with you there, although I don't know the full story.

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    1. So my dislike is "bizarre" because you like the show because of the reasons I don't like it? Well I guess that your comment is sjsut as bizarre then :)

      For me it's not interesting, it's the opposite of interesting - she can't even be studied as a case by any students of sociology I know since she is not even a full character, just a caricature. Yes, I absolutely agree there are writers out there who can create privilaged and annoying characters that are interesting, but Dunham is not one of those writers.

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  27. These comments are hilarious. This isn't an IMDB message board. I am quite the fan of Girls. I am not about to attack you for your well stated opinion on something I disagree with you on. I'm also impressed you watched roughly 5 hours of a show that you ended up not loving, it makes you sound far more intelligent and have ground to stand on. For crissakes shouldn't people over twelve be able to accept that not everyone is going to agree with them. So props to you for sticking to your guns and putting up with roughly 50 comments of people being absurd. Also what the fuck is up with Dunham's response to the shows lack of diversity. I have never thought the show was offensive in that way but that has got to be one of the worst interview response I've heard. One last note: her character in Tiny Furniture is even more narcissistic and self involved than Hannah so you might want to be a bit wary of that one.

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    1. Actually IMDB message boards tend to be more civil than some of the comments here :)

      THank you for your kind words! I decided I need to finish the show, to properly evaluate it. I think it's the only way to go when someone wants to write about something.

      Oh I'm definetly staying away from Tiny Furniture :)

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  28. Hey Sati...

    Wow, quite the fire you lit, huh?
    I have opinions on "Girls", but much of what I think has already been said. I just wanted to drop a note and offer a nod of approval for sticking to your guns. This whole conversation couldn't have been easy on you.

    Keep up the great work, OK?

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      I plan to :) Thank you!

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  29. I think one of the main problems with the show and the backlash of the show isn't even Lena Dunham's fault, but how critics and HBO have packaged the show. Dunham said she wanted to be the voice of her generation in an interview where she was asked about the line in the show where she says "I think I'm the voice of my generation. Or at least a voice of a generation." It was critics that picked up on that and decided to say that she was. HBO sold the show in ads as a "real" depiction of girls. I think that creates a certain tone for going in to watch it. It doesn't mean you or anyone else has to like it, but I think it set certain expectations up.

    There are aspects of her post-college life that I can relate to. There's also a lot of parts I can't relate it. I don't know that every aspect of every show needs to be relatable across the board. I also think in certain circles there are a LOT of people that look and act like Hannah. I went to college with a whole lot of hipster chicks that thought it was cool to not brush your hair and things like that. While you have pulled accurate quotes that Dunham has said about the racial diversity, there are also plans to add new characters. Donald Glover will be playing a new potential love interest for her character and supposedly there will be more diverse characters in the coming season.

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    1. Well, she still called herself a voice of something. I have yet to see what exactly qualifies her to be a voice of anything than people who write very offensive and unfunny jokes.

      I watch baordwalk Empire and Deadwod and there is nothing I can relate to there. But at least those shows don't offend me and are extremelly well written, which I can't say about Girls.

      I did hear that. Obviously HBO executives figured out how bad all of that looks.

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  30. "The way she looks is NOT what real women look like. Real women are not fat blobs who don't care what they look like."

    Wow. You're just rude.

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  31. I hatehatehated this show. My thoughts on it are summed up here:

    http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AhCSlB6.SxEAdhN3.8JJINshBgx.;_ylv=3?qid=20121024032818AAnoV16

    I actually felt sickened and saddened watching it, for reasons that are neatly summed up in this astute article here:

    http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/96265/the-unbearable-lightness-of-girls

    And plainly, Lena Dunham is just a viscous assault to my senses, for all the reasons above and in your spot-on post. Her twitter etiquette reveals an ugliness that transcends her looks, which are unfortunate, but not as catastrophic as her narcissism makes them. I am also offended by the fact that if she wasn't 'normal looking' (i'm with you on the misuse of that term) and was instead conventionally attractive this show would not be getting a 10th of the praise it is receiving. She is the patron saint of the dumpy (the amount of acclaim she has received for being "just like us" equals the gushy adoration for her sketchy writing). Dunham stans rally around her off colour jokes, white privilege and hipsterism because they can RELATE. She is on tv flashing a large gut and flat chest and that is how the average insecure woman knows she's made it - when weirdly shaped women are getting pounded on TV. Yay feminism!

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    1. Thank you so much for this comment Celeste! I read an article you linked - it was terrific, just spot on. Her insistance to present herself as weak and pathethic is really pitiful, since she is almost saying it's all right to be selfish and stubborn with her show. I saw her tweets and I agree their were awful, what's worse it's how many followers she has. The show like this is dangerous because it doesn't really hell anyone it only caters to her own narcissism.

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    2. help*

      Also it's funny how she is the only one being naked - almost as if she was screaming "I look like this and Im so fucking proud, but I won't show any of my better looking costars naked because then I'll look ugly in comparision and my narcissism can't take it"

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  32. Also, this image helps your point: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/hegemonster/nepotism-girls-hbo-lena-dunhamjpg-1.jpg

    I posted the above comment as well, but didn't see the option to leave a name last time!

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    1. That's hilarious! You know I wouldn't have an issue with that if they said "Hey, sure we are able to do this because of our family/friends, but we hang in the same circles and decided to do a show with people we know and like" but they continuously deny the nepotism criticism. That's just pathethic.

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  33. I apologize in advance if this repeats any of the above comments, but much like the original poster and everyone else, I just want to be heard. That is to say, I didn't read them.

    Is Hannah attractive in the context of Cosmopolitan and the myriad other magazines and television shows that try to dictate what beauty in America is? No. Arguably she is overweight with mediocre tattoos. And yet Hannah is still sexy in her journey through life.

    Not only that, but Lena should be applauded for her total courage for how much of herself she puts on screen given the judgmental world we live in. And apparently anyone who's complaining never heard of the complimentary phrase, "Reubenesque".

    But, to continue, Hannah is brazen, naive, clueless, and whip smart at the same time. And who here knew a post college twenty plus kid that wasn't floundering around trying figure shit out. Or who here wasn't one yourself?

    Yes, some of the dialogue is contrived television dialogue, but most rings true. This show is the Oreo to "Sex and the City's" Hydrox. It may not be your twenties, but it definitely its many others.

    I apologize for any errors or brevity. I'm writing from my phone.

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    1. I don't find her sexy. I have absolutely no problem with overweight people, in fact anorexic look on girls sickens me and that is something that I find unnatural. But I do not find Hannah sexy because I'm not drawn to victims and people who have no respect for themselves.

      She should not be applauded. Why is she the only one being naked among the girls in the cast? She is using her attractiveness as just that - the card to become famous in "look at me! I'm different and courageous!" sense. She is sending the wrong message, never making an effort. And there is nothing all right about Hannah lifestyle. It's unhealthy, degrading and disgusting.

      I'm not one, actually. I think studying journalism/dreaming of being a writer is kinda unrealistic and you are bound to be in that kind of situation. I avoided that by giving up some of my unrealistic dreams.

      Thank you for stopping by!

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  34. I love this article. I wish you got to create your own HBO show. I'm positive it would be a million times better than "Girls".

    You hit the nail on the head though. The only time I wanna see Lena Dunham on my TV screen is in a snuff film.

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  35. I got HBO to watch "Enlightened" after seeing the two-episode freebie sample, so decided to also try "Girls" On Demand after hearing all the hype. Couldn't believe it. Could barely last past the opening restaurant scene after being introduced to the loathsome, entitled Hannah, but thought, maybe there's a point here. But then definitely couldn't last past the gratuitous bathroom scene 5 minutes in with Hannah in the tub and the other one shaving her legs and Hannah remarking on wanting to see her breasts, laughing about the lack of connection with the boyfriend and tossing in the obligatory use of the word "vagina" to let everyone know how hip and edgy this show was going to be. Ugh. I am no longer a twenty-something myself, and though I don't know the bathing habits of those I do know - even the ultra-hip ones - this show lost me. Regardless of whether the characters are likeable, they need to be believable for me, and I failed to believe that this casually sexual yet unsexual, strange relationship and conversation would really happen. So I Googled "I hate girls/Lena Dunham" to find likeminded others and found this, and have relished the ensuing debate. After reading the articulate and well-reasoned posts by Wilde.Dash, I thought, oh; maybe I'm not getting it - maybe she is cunningly shining a glaring light on this 20-something segment. And I was eager to try watching again through this lens. But then saw the comments re her Twitter and the nepotistic cast, and thought -are they all actually, in real life, the 20-something segment that the show is hoping to expose (even so - I still would not buy that bathroom scene). However - as (I think it was) Wilde.Dash reasoned (I'm too impatient to look back and verify) - if Lena Dunham has actually written a movie and now this, she could certainly not be lazy, regardless of whether she's the self-absorbed dreck the show portrays. So I'm going to try again, with the various viewpoints expressed in this comment thread in tow, and see if I can make it past the bathroom scene. Here is another interesting take:

    http://www.pajiba.com/think_pieces/hbos-girls-and-our-resentment-toward-privileged-white-america.php

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    1. The characters in this show are so daft and immature it's actually horrifying. Hannah is so stupid and disgusting, having read about some of Denham's endavours like her trip to Tokyo, well, it's an accurate portrayal of herself. The bath tub scene was ridiculous, there is really no explanation I can come up with for that moment.

      I just hope this show ends soon and loses viewership. Young women watching it can't think to themselves that this is normal, this is acceptable. The reality portrayed in this show is toxic not to mention the writing is bad.

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  36. So I know this post is extremely old, but it seems that people are still fired up enough to comment on it, and I thought I would add my two cents:

    Like many others who have posted here, Hannah strikes me as the most unlikable character out of the bunch. Additionally, I cannot relate to her on any level. Perhaps we have very different personalities, but her self-centered-ness has is so unapologetic and crude that my empathy and sympathy for her barely exists, if at all. If that was the angle Dunham was gunning for, she succeeded. Will Hannah ever be at all likable? I'm not quite sure.

    In fact, every other girl in the show evokes some sort of likability. Marnie's spoiled, but she's definitely more driven and accepts her employment situation with humility - which Hannah has not done and quits at the drop of a dime. Admittedly, Marnie's my favorite despite her flaws. I cannot even believe Marnie supported Hannah's half of the rent, and Hannah had the nerve to argue about the living situation.

    Jessa makes me laugh. She's the wanderer that Hannah wants to be, but accepts her role wholeheartedly. Jessa has flaws too, but she expresses herself in a way much more believable than I can deal with coming from Hannah. The latter wants money and things and a propped-up lifestyle that Jessa accepts won't come from the type of life she lives - and is fine with that. Shoshanna is ... shoshanna, in all her ditzy cuteness (though I would wager she's not as flighty as she acts).

    I find Hannah an insulting caricature. She has no concept or awareness of anything going on around her: Others' feelings, motivations, current events, work, struggle, or even her "friends'" issues. I don't feel anything for anybody like that, no matter how sheltered they were. And every time another character confronts her personal, self-absorbed fantasy, she doesn't learn anything (meeting the addict downstairs, her interactions with Adam, fights with Marnie, etc). So far, she hasn't changed. I don't find her a dynamic character in the slightest. In fact, I find her to be fairly despicable, embodying too many aspects that I dislike in people: She fails to negotiate or meet halfway on anything, she's fickle, has no ambition, and most of all is so painfully unaware.

    I'll add sloppy, but I know comments about appearance always result in the writer being nailed to the wall as if it's an irrelevant trait. I am not impressed that she stomps around naked in several episodes, because not only is it not edgy, it's pathetic. The other characters keep me around - I find them more believable.

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    1. The other three would make this show watchable for me but I just cannot look at Dunham and I cannot take any more of her despicable character. I stopped watching and there is no way I ever will again.

      Her appearance actually isn't us disgusting and the inside of her, but yeah, after I remarked on the way she looks every single teenage girl with issues about how she looks was offended by it :)

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  37. Thank you! You just wrote everything I had in my mind about this show. I started watching Girls after my friends recommended it. But jesus christ, i really can't stand it. It's so freaking unrealistic, and to even think that people compare Girls to SATC really makes me mad. SATC was funny, entertaining and sexy. Girls is just pathetic compared to it. But as you mentioned: there is some very good characters (Hannah is not one of them. Don't even make started on my hate towards her. I really can't stand her ignorant appearance towards everything around her and the "me me me"-attitude) and amazing music!

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    1. Exactly Sex and the City was entertaining and for me it really was very funny, well written, re-watchable show with likable characters. Girls is just cringe-worthy.

      The music is great indeed, too bad it's on a such a show.

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  38. I embarked upon this site late, (it’s March 2013, we’re into the second season of “Girls.”) Finally, I come across a blog that confirms my reaction to this show. Hannah/Lena is so grating and self-important that I question my sanity for watching this train wreck. Maybe I watch it to see how much closer we are to the end of the world. The second she opens her mouth, I want to pop a pacifier in it. She’s that childish and demanding. Or, then she flashes her body in yet another nude scene – the semi-nude ping-pong match with the doctor capped an all-time high for outrageousness – what is up with this chick? Secretly, I think her mantra is, “I’ll show the world what a real woman looks like, and that a real woman doesn’t have to be ashamed of her body.” How about a real woman having some dignity? Thinking of someone other than herself? Even when Hannah cloaks her selfishness in doing something “nice” for another character, there is almost always an ulterior motive. She is selfish beyond comprehension, muttering her neurotic asides, anticipating the audience will find her irresistible or adorable -- when we’re really rolling our eyes. She wants to come off as quirky and heartbreaking, when there is calculation in every maneuver. Hannah/Lena only thinks of Hannah/Lena.

    ”Women can be gross, too.” Well, maybe some of us don’t like being gross, period. I want to keep the bathroom door closed when I do my business, I don’t want a camera crew recording every second. Some things should be kept private.

    There is realism – something gritty like “Midnight Cowboy” or “Leaving Los Vegas” or “Deliverance,” all of which were gritty and stomach-churning in their reality – AND – had a point! A plot! – versus this stuff, which seems self-indulgent to the point of rotting. This season, Hannah/Lena urinated outside a train station / depot – and I wonder, what’s next? Does this woman catalog her bathroom habits or shave under her arms and pass that off as drama? “I’m soooo interesting, that viewers will follow me into the bathroom as I clip my toenails and save the shavings because I’m OCD and so charming. Dunham: “I’m so, so charming. Have I told you how charming I can be?” (Audience response: Moaning, groaning, gripping sides from projectile vomiting urge).

    The narcissism of this woman is beyond comprehension. The self-entitlement, the whiny factor, the pettiness. Underlying most of Hannah/Lena’s complaints is: “You’re supposed to make life better for me, because I’m so @#$%! special.”

    Honestly, I wonder if critics and awards shows have screws loose to have nominated this show for Emmys. There are times I think Hollywood entertainment stinks from mediocrity, and that’s why they nominate shows like this. Then again, there are some bona fide wonderful dramas on television now. Thank goodness I watch HBO for “Game of Thrones.”

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    1. I gave up after season 1 - I heard some horror stories about what is going on there. I'm definitely not going to check any of season 2 out.

      What a shame that HBO is wasting their money on this self-important trash instead of producing something that is more than just ramblings of some untalented pathetic person.

      I agree some things should be private and the praise she gets for pushing the boundaries is shocking. Some things shouldn't be praised and encouraged. If people praise her for scenes like the one you described it's embarrassing for them.

      I'm very disappointed in everyone giving this crap awards and positive reviews - this show only adds to young women feeling lousy because it is outrageous enough to tell them that such repugnant behavior is all right. Only Dunham is being paid tons of money for it unlike many women who actually take example off her (sick!!!)

      I just pray to God HBO doesn't dare to cancel Game of Thrones before creators decide to end this while this crap keeps going and going.

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  39. I suspect we have such low expectations for writing nowadays that anything a little "quirky" is seen as a work of genius. I'm totally with you. Somebody told me about the show when it first came on because apparently one of the characters was drinking poppy pod tea. Whatever. I guess it's tough to have your parents pay for your NYC apartment and I used to feel so bad for those kids moving into their $3k a month studios on Bedford Avenue. Maybe I just hate crap?

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    1. I cannot believe the praise the show is getting. It has some of the most despicable people on TV right now and the writing is so self-indulgent it's just infuriating. I really hope the next season will be last, HBO shouldn't waste money on this.

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  40. I like the show, but only because of Shoshanna and Jessa [sometimes Marnie too because she reminds me of my sister]. However I agree with you, I cannot like Hannah and I can't like Lena because Lena now seems to think she's the best thing ever. I'm an aspiring writer, and if I ever get published work done I hope I never let it get to my head.

    I know the whole freedom of speech thing, and I'm kind of liberal myself and agree with the movement-but I think Lena is pushing it too much in the show. [In my Opinion] I hated the argument with Sandy because it was like 'Oh you're republican and you think like this'. And I always hated how Hannah always thinks she should have the last word and is so ignorant to everyone around her.

    I heard Lena dissed Zooey D. [Don't know her last name] and I think that's really just in poor taste. I'm not a fan of the girl myself, but just leave her be she never did anything to you. -_-

    Anyways, wonderful article. It's a late comment, but I am glad that I'm not the only one who sees the show like this.

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    1. The funny thing about her character in the show is that she literally accomplished shit and she is acting like this fabulous, talented person.

      She is just stupid and to be completely honest that show has ended HBO's 100% quality programme offer. Now they offer great shows...and a turd known as Girls. Lena Dunham has no business writing things and I feel embarrassed trash like this is on the same station as Game of Thrones, the station that used to show The Sopranos and Six Feet Under. It's just insulting.

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  41. I couldn't agree more!! I hate how this show is considered to be so honest and so real. Nobody(well, at least, none of the people I know) lives this way!
    I hate Hannah more than I could possibly say and the truth is that behind all this over-exposure of this character through the story, I believe Dunham is just trying to conceal her complexes. Actually, the fact, alone, that her character is getting all these nude scenes gives it all away. And this, honestly, is really uncomfortable to watch, for me, at least. And that's not because I'm some super-religious puritan, that get shocked of even watching something like that or because I'm a super-racist who thinks all people should have perfect proportions. It's just something really unpleasant to watch, that actually makes me sorry that this person(Dunham) thinks that she represents all women of her generation through this. In my humble opinion, that is a really derogatory thing to do and to think. Moreover, this whole storyline of Hannah character mainly, is the opposite of what Dunham is trying to paunch herself as: a feminist. Presenting a character, full of those well-hidden(not so well)complexes as someone who the audience might identify as themselves is not something that honors either her or the female race.
    To conclude, I really believe the whole show is actually about Dunham trying to get over her tons of complexes by playing easy and making audiences that actually like to watch good shows such as Boardwalk Empire, Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones, Revenge and other really good quality shows uneasy.
    So, congrats to Sati for having the guts to write something about "Girls" without licking Dunham's boots. And to anyone that thinks that this article is the result of her jealousy, well, think again! Not everyone likes what EVERYONE in the industry promotes incessantly. :D

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    1. I feel the existence of this show and Dunham herself are offensive to every single woman on Earth. It's exactly like you said - she knows she is ugly but she is trying to promote herself as brave. It is so pathetic, because none of the other girls on the show are naked too - Dunham probably figured out that comparing to them she would look even more like a cartoon.

      There are plenty of girls who are overweight and extremely gorgeous but Dunham and her character are dirty, gross, stupid and repulsive. Naked scenes combined with her personality are repellent.

      Yeah, I think people jealous of that mess should seek help :) They probably accomplished more than she did because embarrassing youself and poisoning the minds of young women everywhere is a crime not an accomplishment.

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  42. This blog read my mind. Without going on a 1000 word rant... I wish Lena Dunham would just put some friggin' clothes on already. I think it's great she's comfortable with her body, but she's really overdoing it. It threw in a little bit of a shock factor at first, but now I just roll my eyes when I see the other (obviously better looking) girls in fashionable/attractive/tasteful outfits, then see Hannah dressed like a frumpy troll walking around topless with her underwear stuck in her butt crack. It's not cute. It's uncomfortable. Regardless of your figure... stop going out of your way to do nude scenes.

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  43. The second season is even worse, much much much much worse. I didn't mind the first season but it jumped the shark when jessa married that idiot. I can't bare to watch another second of Hannah! She's awful.

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  44. I'm not a die-hard fan and I actually kindof hate this show now, because if you've noticed (and can google the hell out of this too) This show is okay with rape. As long as it's between two women or the guy is really drunk. That's when I said "Yeah fuck this." Not cool. Kim Gordon from Sonic Youth even says in her http://www.elle.com/pop-culture/celebrities/kim-gordon-sonic-youth-profile article "she’s troubled by what she calls a “misleading” scene in which Marnie sleeps with Hannah’s gay roommate. At one point Marnie says no, but they proceed to have sex, and her objection becomes part of their sex-ual play. “It’s a mixed message about what no means,” Gordon points out. It’s part of an “ironic Williamsburg hipster” pose, she goes on, that considers political correctness kind of square. “If you’re going to do that [in Girls], you also have to—in some other instance—show that it’s not cool.” For a show that’s been written about nearly to death, it’s an observation that seems both totally obvious and underdiscussed."

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  45. You can tell that she is talented by her early work! I love Lena Dunham. But if you hate her, as you clearly do, do not, I repeat DO NOT watch her first film Creative Non-Fiction. http://fliction.wordpress.com/2013/05/19/lena-dunhams-first-film/ You can really see how much Lena Dunham has a similar style.

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  46. I don't understand the fascination with Lena Dunham. She is so frumpy and her character is beyond annoying. I've tried to like the show and can't. I wonder if it's because I'm 35 and not 25.

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  47. Sorry, but the more I try to watch the more I dislike HBO Girls. I find myself more disgusted by it all. This is a show that demoralizes girls in every term. I know I am older, put I can tell you that as open as I was with my friends, never did we ever talk like this in every day conversations, let along with our male friends. I would have never let my daughter pull this stuff or would she ever thought she could, and Yes she went to college out of our home state and was on her own and agreed that this is way over the top! My son would have been shocked to have had girls talk to him like this show. What is this telling our younger generation, that it is ok... to do drugs and sleep with every girl/guy that comes a long. I sorry but where are our morels and self respect. Sorry but this show is way off course,

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  48. I caught the last season recently - I will add here I am twice the age as the target market. Great cinematography, great music. Beyond that, Dunham and her character are repulsive. I was trying to decide if this show was trying to be a serious drama or a satire, lol. It totally fails as drama. If a satire, it is wicked funny, though most of the characters are unlikeable. There is so much in the real world facing this age group that it is too bad Dunham does not draw more seriously from it. She has behind the scenes talent - perhaps maturity will reveal more thought provoking work in the future. My advice is that she needs to stay behind the camera - her bland looks and so-so acting skills are not a draw.

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  49. One of the very few shows that I couldn't even stand to finish an episode of. I didn't like any of the characters, and just looking at Lena Dunham made me want to puke (also something new). She just looks disgusting. If she actually had some sort sense of morality and didn't act like a pig, maybe my opinion would be different (but I doubt it). I will NEVER understand how this show is still on the air.

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  50. I would say that she fucked a lot of people to get this crapshoot on air, but... who would want to? I don't even have a single clue of how this is on TV.

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  51. I watched the first two seasons and quite honestly felt dirty (unclean) afterwards. Hannahs charater is a disgusting slob and it made me feel really gross. It's hard watching a fat slob as a leading role. I think Jessa is real, she may be crazy and ridiculous but she isn't oblivious and she's still fun to watch. I would have much preferred a series following her life.

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  52. I googled ''am I the only one that doesn't like girls the tv show?'' and came to this article and all these comments and I no longer feel crazy. I couldn't even get through season 1, I did try because of all the ''rave'' reviews which I realize now is just propaganda and bs and whoever truly likes this nonsense has no class whatsoever.

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  53. Saw her on SNL and thought, who the hell is this. Girls sounds like one big rip off of Sex in the City. Please make this chick go away.

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  54. THANK YOU!!!!!! :) I am currently watching GIRLS on a free preview weekend of HBO and I want to punch the lead character in the face. First of all she is a selfish twit, second cubby doesn't mean you have to dress like an idiot and act as tho it is others fault and thirdly weird sex is not edgy been done a million times in soft homemade porn.

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  55. THANK YOU FOR THIS POST. I hate that because I can't stand Lena Dunham, and hate feeling like a bitch for feeling that way. She's not relatable. I hate that this show is supposed to represent millennial women. BULLSHIT. I'm chubby, shower, and dress well. It can be done Lena.

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  56. Hannah, the lead character is the worst fucking fat chick I've ever had to hear bitch. Absolutely bonkers. I hope she isn't as awful in real life and I really hope girls like her don't exist in the real world. She thinks she's the smartest, wittiest, most attractive girl on the planet and in reality I'd rather take a pile of dog shit and rub it all over my face before taking her on a date. Absolutely no way any self respecting man would fuck her. It's blasphemy to purport that in this TV show.

    The one chick with the pussy boyfriend however, absolutely gorgeous. Its unfortunate that the guys in the show fuck her so poorly. She deserves better.

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  57. I too wondered what is the fuss about. What is 'Girls'? Why is everyone raving about it and who the heck cares. So I watched 10mins and I was done. So self absorbed middle class white NYC so called hipster chicks. Lena is a child of money and have friends with money and nannies and mummies and daddies of TV and film folk. MMMmmm wonder how she got commissioned. I was further intrigued and decided to watch her so groundbreaking film 'Tiny Furniture'. Well I am shocked. Number 1 - anyone funded it. Number 2 - anyone watched it. Number 3 - HBO took a chance on her after watching it. Seriously what does it take in this day and age to be seen as hipster and TV/Film executives taking real chances. It's all too easy and money making these days. Another woman I think is over rated and has made me feel inspired or laugh is Mindy Kalin. How did she ever get her first gig on The Office? Numbers game?

    I blame the middle class lazy uncreative TV commissioners. They need to do a little inventive commissioning instead of tick boxing and assuming the audience is happy with third rate tripe. I read about the recent womens panel at Sundance and how Mindy and Lena were on the panel talking about double standards. Sorry but the argument is valid. They are criticised rightly so for their work being autobiographical.... that is fact. If it wasnt for shows like 'Orange is the New Black' and 'Good Wife' giving women some flair, drama, colour, diversity and voice we would be a sorry state of middle class privileged women who think they are 'real' because they are a few pounds heavier but believe you me ask them to role play an Othella scene or MacBeth scene and we would see where the real talent was.....

    Glad to have found a forum to share my dislike.... And before I get ranting responses. Yes I am a woman. Yes I am of colour. Yes I am a few pounds heavier too. I am valid in my dislike and I blame the 'powers' for doing us all a dis-service.....

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  58. to squasher-What is WRONG with being "harsh" when it is DESERVED I don't want to watch disgusting drivel. I will be as harsh as I want it is MY opinion. Stop being a pussy.

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  59. I'm sick of people trying to make money off of the sex lives of fictional women and then saying it's feminism.

    My life is honestly 20 times more interesting than the lives of any of the characters on this show because they think that snorting coke and having one night stands is interesting. That's not interesting. The majority of people try drugs and have sex.

    My time would be WAY better spent writing my own TV series than watching this shit.
    But it's like a train wreck where I can't look away.

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  60. I am so glad I found this, I just finished watching all 5 seasons on HBO now..and I literally thought I was the only one who was so annoying about Hannah lol. I hated Hannah, not even sure exactly why, but couldn't stand how stupid and dramatic she was about some things. The one night stands thing is definitely pretty gross, but what can ya do, most TV shows now a days has to have that in like every episode -_- . Another thing that annoyed me was the way Hannah looked lol, usually I am not one to judge or hate or anything like that...but she just looked like a lard or something that did not care about her image at all. The clothes she wore was horrid , especially the ones that made her look like a super muffin. I mean you could be any size and make yourself look good...but she just made any size look bad..lol. And that hair she had annoyed me. Ugh I guess I just hated her character...and her if she actually looks like that in real life. Shoshanna was probably the only reason I kept watching tbh, ha.

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    1. I agree with everything you said, it just painful to watch but I still want to see where this is going ­čśé

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  61. I found your blog looking for answers to the writter stupidity, that being said...w t heck!? The writter simply destroyed the more fun and amazing carácter, my favs were Shoshana, Adam and Jessa, now after season 5 Adam is just an stupid coward cheater, Jessa is just an uneducated, aggressive, a junkie and problematic person that wants Adammm! What!? And Shoshana is just lost in her own head... just can't keep watching.... oh oh and wait... the time the lonely doctor took Hannah and had sex with her for days and wanted her to stay forever it was just so unrealistic and depressing pfff

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