Best movie: Logan
(2. Wind River 3. Dunkirk 4. The Disaster Artist 5. Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri 6. Wonder Woman 7. I, Tonya 8. Blade Runner 2049 9. Colossal 10. Logan Lucky)
There can only be one winner. And while Wind River is so intensely symbolic of what was happening in 2017 and continues to happen and it is an excellent movie even without its shattering effect and powerful message, Logan is truly an instant classic. The film gets 48 mentions, including 19 wins, in this post, highest amount of mentions and wins I've ever given. I watched it a total of 6 times in 2017. I wrote countless posts about it. It's beautiful, moving, funny, entertaining and unforgettable, an instant entry into my top 10 movies of all time. It has heart. It has soul. And it's one of the best movies ever made.
(2 Jeremy Renner, Wind River 3. James Franco, The Disaster Artist 4. Oscar Isaac, The Promise 5. Jon Bernthal, Sweet Virginia)
Jackman has had this win locked for 11 months now. The entire 2017 I was waiting for someone to top his work here and no one came close. We watched Jackman play Wolverine for almost 20 years and he was extremely dedicated to his work, always delivering wonderful performances. He made Logan for the fans and in the effect what we got was his best performance yet. Jackman is utterly heartbreaking in the role playing a broken hero, who lost almost everything but in spite of his broken body, his anguished mind and his lack of hope he remains that hero we love - using the last of his strength to protect, to love, to do the right thing. He makes us laugh, he makes us cry and he makes us believe in heroes.
Best Actress: Margot Robbie as Tonya Harding in I, Tonya
(2. Gal Gadot, Wonder Woman 3. Frances McDormand, Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri 4. Anne Hathaway, Colossal 5. Aubrey Plaza, Ingrid Goes West)
Margot Robbie produced and starred in I, Tonya and throughout this Oscar season she showed herself to be smart, lovely and very dedicated and savvy person. And she has incredible talent too - delivering great performances for few years now, her Tonya Harding is her best. Robbie plays the role of a woman coming from a very difficult background, who had tough life but she never gave up on her dreams. Her Tonya is cunning, crude and ruthless but there is also innocence and pure desire to just do what she wants to do underneath. Thanks to that complexity Robbie makes us sympathize with her character, humanizing her but never once absolving her of her sins.
Best supporting actor: Sam Rockwell as Jason Dixon in Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri
(2. Chris Pine, Wonder Woman 3. Woody Harrelson,Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri 4.. Patrick Stewart, Logan 5. Kenneth Branagh, Dunkirk)
Dixon is a guy who uses racial slurs, who punches a woman and throws an innocent man out of a window and who is an all around an immature, ill-tempered mess. So what an accomplishment it is for the script and for Rockwell to have this guy deliver one of the most moving moments in 2017. Because even someone like Dixon understands there has to be justice for rape. There has to be justice for murder. There has to be justice, period. It takes him a long time to get there, he chooses the wrong path for it in the end, but his condemning words as he is holding a shotgun and telling Mildred that he has an idea what they can do, are sending quite the message and that is the message that needs to be send. We see Dixon as he cries in the bathroom like a little kid after losing his mentor. He brutally lashes out at someone who he thinks is to blame. He tearfully accepts kindness of his victim as he lies in hospital bed defenseless. We see him risking his life to do the right thing. It's a wonderfully complex character and a mesmerizing performance. Rockwell should have been nominated and won numerous awards by now, for truly all of his performances, and his work as Jason Dixon is without a doubt, the best performance in 2017. So I cannot wait to - hopefully - see him on that Oscar stage, 28 days from now, with the award nobody deserves more than he does.
Best supporting actress: Allison Janney as LaVona Golden in I, Tonya
(2. Dafne Keen, Logan 3.Laurie Metcalf, Lady Bird 4. Tatiana Maslany, Stronger 5. Sophia Lillis, It)
I was worried that Janney's turn as Tonya Harding's horrible mother is going to be one-note, but it's not the case. There are brief moments that Janney manages to capture in spite of the rapid editing and fast pace of the film, where you can see deep down this is a woman who took pride in her daughter's accomplishments and wanted her to succeed. LaVona Golden was - and still is - a terrible mother. But there were moments, however brief, when all she wanted was to see pride on her daughter's face.
(the ranking of best 10 performances of the year - here)
Brokeback Mountain Award for the Most Important Movie of the Year: Wonder Woman
Best Ensemble: I, Tonya (2.Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri. 3. Logan 4. Dunkirk 5. The Disaster Artist)
Best director: James Mangold, Logan AND Christopher Nolan, Dunkirk (2. Taylor Sheridan, Wind River 3. Denis Villeneuve, Blade Runner 2049 5. Guillermo Del Toro,The Shape of Water)
Best adapted screenplay: Logan (2.The Disaster Artist 3. I, Tonya)
Best original screenplay: Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri (2. Colossal, 3.Get Out 4. Wind River 5. Logan Lucky)
Best music: Dunkirk (2. Logan 3. Wonder Woman 4. Colossal 5. Ghost in the Shell)
Best use of song: Rhythm of the Night, The Disaster Artist (2. Good Vibrations,The Disaster Artist 3. The Man Comes Around, Logan 4. Father Figure, Atomic Blonde 5. Icky Thump, Justice League 6. Fortunate Son, Logan Lucky)
Best sound: Dunkirk (2. Logan 3. mother! 4. Blade Runner 2049)
Best costumes: Atomic Blonde (2. Wonder Woman 3. Baby Driver 4. I, Tonya 5. Blade Runner 2049)
Best production design: Atomic Blonde (2. Logan 3. Blade Runner 2049 4. mother! 5. The Shape of Water)
Best cinematography: Logan (2. Blade Runner 2049 3. Dunkirk 4.Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri.5. Atomic Blonde)
Best shot of the year: Logan carrying Charles, Logan (2. Laura holding Logan's hand, Logan 3. Farrier, Dunkirk 4. Logan among the dead, Logan 5. Jason, Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri) (the whole post)
Best editing: Dunkirk (2. Logan 3. Logan Lucky 4. Blade Runner 2049 5. I, Tonya)
Best visual effects: Blade Runner 2049 (2. Logan 3. Dunkirk, 4. The Shape of Water 5. Wonder Woman)
Best make up: Logan (2. The Shape of Water 3. Bright)
Biggest Disappointment: The Last Jedi (2. Alien: Covenant 3. The Beguiled 4. Kingsman: The Golden Circle)
Worst Performance by an Actress: Charlotte Gainsbourg, The Snowman (2. Scarlett Johansson, Rough Night 3. Julianne Moore, Suburbicon)
Worst Performance by an Actor: Ansel Elgort, Baby Driver (2. Bruce Willis,. Once Upon a Time in Venice 3. John Boyega, The Last Jedi)
Most Overhyped: Call me By Your Name (2. Baby Driver 3. Lady Bird)
Worst Movie of the Year: The Snowman (2. Geostorm 3. Once Upon a Time in Venice 4. Suburbicon 5. Kingsman: The Golden Circle)
Underrated: Colossal (2. Sweet Virginia 3. Wind River 4. Logan Lucky)
Best Scene of the year: No Man's Land, Wonder Woman (2. The van argument, Logan 3. "Home", Dunkirk 4. The phone call near the end, Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri 5. The Flashback scene, Wind River 6. The premiere sequence, The Disaster Artist 7. Casino scene, Logan 8. Farrier saves the day, Dunkirk 9. The courthouse scene, I, Tonya 10. Jaffey's rant, Molly's Game) (the whole post)
Funniest scene: "You can talk?!", Logan (2. The way Clyde ends up in jail, Logan Lucky 3. Too much wind machine! Blow me away, my God!, The Disaster Artist 4. Chris-R scene, The Disaster Artist 5. Samuel L. Jackson reacts to Ryan Reynolds falling through the car window, Hitman's Bodyguard 6. "Jeff did it!", I, Tonya 7. "A lady with a funny fucking eye? Jesus Christ!, Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri 8. "- I just turned 14. - Wow, happy birthday", The Disaster Artist 9. "Who doesn't recognize this guy?!". The Disaster Artist 10. "Oh, shit", Thor: Ragnarok)
The most unintentionally funny scene: The smash cut to the concert, The Snowman
"You Never Can Tell" award for the best dance scene: The Disaster Artist (2. Wonder Woman 3. The Shape of Water 4. Colossal)
The most I cried during the movie: Logan (2. Dunkirk 3. Wonder Woman 4. Wind River)
The most shocking scene: The flashback scene, Wind River (2. Mikael finds his family, The Promise 3. Armpit stab, Logan 4. Oscar actually starts killing people, Colossal 5. Georgie falls, Dunkirk)
Best Kiss: Atomic Blonde (2. The Promise 3. Alien: Covenant)
Best Fight: Logan vs X-24 at the farm, Logan (2. the intro fight, Logan 3. Gloria vs Robot, Colossal 4. Stairway, Atomic Blonde 5. Statham vs the guys trying to take the baby, The Fate of the Furious 6. Amazons vs Soldiers, Wonder Woman 7.Superman vs Justice League, Justice League)
Best Chemistry: Hugh Jackman and Dafne Keen, Logan (2. Oscar Isaac and Laura Dern, The Last Jedi 3. Hugh Jackman and Patrick Stewart, Logan 4. Chris Pine and Gal Gadot, Wonder Woman 5. James Franco and Dave Franco, The Disaster Artist 6. The Rock and Jason Statham, The Fate of the Furious)
Best Quote: This is what life looks like. People who love each other, a home. You should take a moment. Feel it. You still have time (Logan) (2. I know he isn't your rapist, He is a rapist, though. I'm sure of that. (Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri) 3. Someone has come along (Logan) 4. So this is what it feels like (Logan) 5. I can save today. You can save the world (Wonder Woman) 6. You can practically see it from here. Home. (Dunkirk) 7. Am I a bitch now? (Atomic Blonde)
Best Line delivery:Go! (Wind River) (2. You can talk? You can talk? What the hell...? Why the fuck...? What's all this bullshit during this 3000 fucking miles?! (Logan) 3. We are the spark that will light the fire that will burn the First Order down (The Last Jedi) 4. OK, too much wind machine. Blow me away, my God (The Disaster Artist) 5. A lady...with a funny fucking eye? Jesus Christ (Three Billboards Outside Ebbing Missouri) 6. Daddy (Logan) 7. It wasn't me (Logan) 8. I'm sorry....I'm so sorry (Logan) 9. Lick my ass, Diane! (I, Tonya)
Best comedy performance of the year: Paul Walter Hauser, I, Tonya (2. James Franco, The Disaster Artist 3. Zac Efron, The Disaster Artist)
Best performance under 30 minutes of screentime: Jon Bernthal, Wind River (2. Zac Efron, The Disaster Artist, 3. Oscar Isaac, Suburbicon 4. Henry Cavill,. Justice League)
Oscar Isaac in Suburbicon award for best performance in terrible movie: Oscar Isaac, Suburbicon (2. Laura Dern, The Last Jedi)
Sweetest scene of the year: Poe hugs BB-8, The Last Jedi (2. Laura calls Logan "daddy", Logan 3. Jimmy's daughter sings, Logan Lucky 4. Deckard saves the baby, The Fate of the Furious 5. Little Diana watches Amazons fight, Wonder Woman)
Best Opening: Logan
Best Ending: Logan (2. Dunkirk 3. Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri 4. Colossal 5. Wind River)
The Lisbeth Salander favorite hero award goes to: James 'Logan' Howlett (2. Farrier, Dunkirk 3. Diana, Wonder Woman 4. Cory, Wind River)
The Joker favorite villain award goes to: Luv, Blade Runner 2049 (2. Donald Pierce, Logan 3. X-24, Logan 4. Oscar, Colossal 5. The torpedo, Dunkirk)
The Fly award for the single most disgusting thing in a movie goes to: Men in general, Wind River (2. The armpit stab, Logan 3. The peach/the puking and making out/underwear on the head combo, Call me By Your Name 4. The tooth scene, A Cure for Wellness)
Pussy Wagon travel in style award goes to: Logan's limo
Uggie's award for the best dog goes to: Buddy in Once Upon a Time in Venice
Tub Scene award for the hottest sexy scene of the year goes to: Logan breaking a shotgun in half on his knee (while he is wearing a tank-top), Logan (2. Sam kissing Bernadette's knee, Sweet Virginia 3. Icky Thump, Justice League 4. Oscar Isaac having explosive chemistry with every woman, man, prop and computer generated thing, The Last Jedi 5. Jon Bernthal walking around shirtless and being sweet before all hell breaks loose, Wind River 6. Jon Bernthal almost punching Ansel Elgort, Baby Driver)
"I blacked out for a moment there' reaction hereby renamed as Logan award for the hottest character of the year goes to: Logan (2. Sam, Sweet Virginia 3. Poe, The Last Jedi 4. Aquaman, Justice League 5. Farrier, Dunkirk)
J.J. Abrams award for most shattering moment in film goes to: The flasback, Wind River (2. The courthouse scene, I, Tonya 3. Charles' funeral, Logan 4. Logan's death, Logan 5. "RAPED WHILE DYING", Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri)
Amy Dunne award for the most influential haircut goes to: Atomic Blonde
Best Trailer: Logan
"Am I high or did it actually happen?" question for the most ridiculous movie moment goes to: Leia's Mary Poppins flight, The Last Jedi (2. The tapes, Baby Driver 3. Baby Xenomorph raising his arms like David, Alien: Covenant 4. Bruce Willis being the one to show his bare ass in a movie that includes Jason Momoa, Once Upon a Time in Venice 5. Ben Affleck's face, Justice League 6. The whole fucking movie, The Snowman 7. The kitchen search for pubes, The Killing of a Sacred Deer)The Jar Jar binks facepalm gesture statute for the most annoying character of the year goes to: Baby, Baby Driver
Matthias Schoenaerts' characters in 2015 (in the films people actually saw) RUN award goes to: Colin Farrell in The Beguiled - brah, jump on one leg and get the fuck out of there (2. Jennifer "forget about the sink and go!" Lawrence, mother! 3. Michael Fassbender who needs to get as far as possible from whatever screenplays his current agent brought him)
The shirt with the scarlet H letter for the Hypocrite of the year goes to: Trash Damon spewing garbage while thinking he is super woke or whatever the kids call it these days (2. Sofia Coppola thinking she is making feminist cinema when all the women in The Beguiled come off like sausage obsessed psychopaths)
"I wish it was a dream" award for the single dumbest plot maneuver goes to: Killing Oscar Isaac's character, Suburbicon (2. Killing JB, Kingsman 2 3. The entirety of Alien: Covenant)
How the mighty have fallen award goes to: George Clooney. 2002 - Confessions of a Dangerous Mind, good movie where he has Sam Rockwell show his ass about five times. 2017 - Suburbicon, boring and incomprehensible mess where Trash Damon kills Oscar Isaac by hitting him in the face, which is the most beautiful face in the world, with a pipe. Is Clooney on drugs?
Flaming dog poo and eternal shame goes to: About 90% of "men" in Hollywood
Lars Von Trier award for the biggest piece of misogynistic shit goes to: Matthew Vaughn for the majority of the things that happen in Kingsman 2. Go away, bitch.
Tree of Life bucket of coffee award for the most boring movie of the year goes to: The Snowman
Highest number of mentions:
Logan - 48, wins = 19
Dunkirk - 20, wins = 5
The Disaster Artist -17, wins = 2
Wonder Woman - 16, wins = 2
Wind River - 15, wins = 5
Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri - 14, wins = 2
I, Tonya - 12, wins = 3
Colossal - 10, wins = 1
Blade Runner 2049 - 9, wins = 2
Atomic Blonde - 8, wins = 4
Logan Lucky - 7, wins = 0
Notable 2017 movies I have not seen: Ghost Story, Phantom Thread, Roman Esq. whatever how the fuck do you title movie that?, Mudbound, The Big Sick, The Greatest Showman
Logan - 48, wins = 19
Dunkirk - 20, wins = 5
The Disaster Artist -17, wins = 2
Wonder Woman - 16, wins = 2
Wind River - 15, wins = 5
Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri - 14, wins = 2
I, Tonya - 12, wins = 3
Colossal - 10, wins = 1
Blade Runner 2049 - 9, wins = 2
Atomic Blonde - 8, wins = 4
Logan Lucky - 7, wins = 0
Notable 2017 movies I have not seen: Ghost Story, Phantom Thread, Roman Esq. whatever how the fuck do you title movie that?, Mudbound, The Big Sick, The Greatest Showman
2017 films I've seen:
Logan, 97/100
Wind River, 97/100
Dunkirk, 96/100
The Disaster Artist, 93/100
Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri, 92/100
Wonder Woman, 88/100
I, Tonya, 87/100
Blade Runner 2049, 86/100
Colossal, 85/100
Logan Lucky 82/100
Get Out, 79/100
The Shape of Water, 78/100
Stronger, 77/100
Annabelle Creation, 76/100
Thor: Ragnarok, 75/100
Atomic Blonde, 73/100
Molly's Game/72/100
John Wick 2, 72/100
Ingrid Goes West, 71/100
Sweet Virginia, 70/100
The Killing of a Sacred Deer, 68/100
It, 67/100
Split, 67/100
Trainspotting, 66/100
The Promise, 65/100
Call me By Your Name, 64/100
Lady Bird 64/100
mother!,64/100
The Fate of the Furious, 63/100
Hitman's Bodyguard, 62/100
Murder on the Orient Express, 61/100
Justice League, 60/100
Florida Project, 59/100
Cure for Wellness, 58/100
Ghost in the Shell, 57/100
The Bad Batch, 55/100
Bright, 54/100
Battle of the Sexes, 54/100
The Post, 53/100
The Book of Henry, 52/100
Unforgettable, 42/100
Darkest Hour, 39/100
Rough Night, 37/100
Alien: Covenant, 35/100
Baby Driver, 32/100
Star Wars: The Last Jedi, 31/100
Kingsman: The golden Circle, 28/100
Suburbicon, 24/100
Once Upon a Time in Venice, 23/100
Geostorm, 12/100
The Snowman, 10/100
I wish Logan got more love at the Oscars than just best Adapted Screenplay. Hugh Jackman and Patrick Stewart both deserved Oscars for their roles It scares me that The Tree of Life Award went to The Snowman. I liked The Tree of Life I saw it twice in theaters. Does that mean I will like The Snowman. I also like Charlotte Gainsbourg.
ReplyDeleteI don't think it's possible to like The Snowman :)
DeleteThat's a lot of dedication to put this post together, well done! I agree Margot Robbie and Janney were both outstanding.
ReplyDeleteI think your sense of humor is different to mine(Three Billboards wasn't for me). But that's life.
Look forward to watching your 'best use of music' clips if I can find them on YouTube!
Killing of a Sacred Deer is my #1 of 2017, I love something unpredictable, though I know others consider it too weird and with illogical storytelling.
Well it takes entire year :) I update it after every movie I watch.
DeleteThree Billboards was more moving than funny but Harrelson's line delivery always kills me, this guy is amazing
Sacred Deer was just too weird for me but it was still more watchable than The Lobster which was sickening.
I just came back from seeing The Shape of Water which is definitely in my top 5. I'm going to see The Snowman when it comes on TV as I want to know how horrendous it is. As Alex said about the film for anyone that wants to become a filmmaker. I'd like to know what happened and what not to do when making a film like that.
ReplyDeleteWell for one someone forgot to bring the finished script to the reshoots :)
Delete"Men in general, Wind River " - I lol'd
ReplyDeleteI love to see so much of Logan, The Disaster Artist and Wind River here! I would've been surprised to see anyone other than Hugh in your Best Actor.
Great post as always!
Thank you! Yeah Hugh was the clear choice here, no one even came close last year!
DeleteI agree with your actors, although I'd probably give second place to Harrelson and 3rd to Chris Pine. Margot was outstanding in I, Tonya. Just thinking about that courthouse scene makes me cry.
ReplyDeleteI knew Logan would get so much love from you. And it deserves it.
I wish The Snowman was the worst film of 2017 I've seen. Unfortunately, I've seen worse.
You should really watch The Big Sick, it's great.
I cannot imagine anything worse than Snowman but I'm sure that recent thing Amy Schumer did would win had I seen it
DeleteYeah I really need to see that one!
Yes, That is Logan's time. Hugh Jackman was entertain us from The wolverine. Specially i was praying for Jackman.
ReplyDeleteLogan is truly an amazing movie, it's an instant classic
DeleteNice to see that Logan has slipped back to #1 of the year for you. Good stuff here, Sati! ;D
ReplyDeleteThank you! I knew you'd like that choice :)
DeleteAwesome list! I would've flown out to see you and make sure you were okay if Logan wasn't at the top of your list. I love that you update this throughout the year. I tried to tagging all of the movie I watched on tumblr, but holy hell - I missed so many. So many great awards and picks - it's hard to know where to start. :D
ReplyDeleteI literally had to do that otherwise there is no way I could do this fairly and I would forget so much stuff :) It's already so annoying when I watch a release from specific year later and I'd totally include it in the awards if I saw it sooner
DeleteThis is so great. Logan reigns supreme. I need to watch that movie again. I love that Logan Lucky made your top 10!
ReplyDeleteWhat you said about Rockwell’s Three Billboards performance needs to be plastered on billboard itself, for all the haters to read. THAT is the intention of his character. THAT is the intention of the film. You nailed it.
“Best use of song: Rhythm of the Night, The Disaster Artist” holy shit yes. Also love that Zac Efron got a mention. I didn’t even recognize him at first!
Oh christ that line delivery in Wind River. That will never leave my mind.
Logan Lucky may be the most delightful movie I saw last year!
DeleteYeah my praise for Sam is billboard worthy for sure :)
Efron was insanely amazing. He almost stole the entire show in 2 minutes. Such a hilarious moment!
Holy shit, this is extensive. And amazing. AND WRONG.
ReplyDeleteWay too much Baby Driver hate, but I'm going to deal with it, because there's so much Wind River love.
Best performance under 30 minutes of screentime: Jon Bernthal. I couldn't agree more with this selection, as what he does here, still utterly f--king haunts me. Just the saddest most heartbreaking thing I've seen in a long, long time...but in a totally f--ked up way, the most inspiring. He simply would not give up. F--k.
I'm also totally enamored with the Logan Lucky mentions, as that movie was a lot of fun. And when his daughter sings? Such a pure moment. Awww...I've got something in my eye again.
That Atomic Blonde scene was...inspiring.
So glad Logan dominated the year for you, as it's still my favorite film of 2017...though I didn't see half as much shit as you did. Well, I actually saw a lot more shit than you did.... but you know what I mean!
I read in Esquire article about Jon that out of all the actors in the movie he had most conversations with Sheridan. What an insanely dedicated and talented guy.
DeleteYeah the second I added that Atomic Blonde gif I KNEW you will appreciate that :P
Love all your praise for Wonder Woman, Gadot and Pine. I haven't seen some of those movies but I watched Wind River a few nights ago and that flashback scene was the most sad/brutal and the best thing of the film with Renner's performance for me. And I loved Bernthal! Seems like he's good pals with Sheridan since he played a little role in Sicario too. He's such a terrific actor, even with so little screentime you can notice his talent. Love the guy.
ReplyDeleteYeah Bernthal is incredible! He is such a dedicated actor and it really shows. Wind River is such a hugely underrated movie when it comes to awards, I'm so glad at least movie fans and general audience appreciate it
DeleteThe Spat My Coffee Out Laughing At The Hitting The Nail On The Head: "sausage obsessed psychopaths." (The Beguiled)
ReplyDeleteThe Head-Nod In Mutual Respect of Deserved Recognition: mother! shortlisted in Sound category
Best New Monika For Actor Since Fat Damon: Trash Damon
Great work Sati.
Wow, what a detailed post!! I still need to see I Tonya but it sounds incredible, I love Margot Robbie. Go Australia!! Go Hugh!
ReplyDeleteThis must have taken you ages. Killing of a Sacred Deer was weird for sure but I loved it, I love off the wall stuff. The more uncomfortable it makes me, the better :P
I reckon I'm about 70/30 in agreeance with your picks. Logan and Hugh, no arguments here! And Sam for the supporting role, duh, he was awesome. I really need to watch Moon again
This guy's movies are just too much for me. There's very little value to stuff like Lobster and Deer just being weird for the sake of being weird. Comes off as pretentious for me. I laugh at them, not with them.
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